Reborn Babies: Pandering to a Mental Disorder

By: Keith

   

Some people are not content with normal dolls.  Some people want dolls that are as close to the real thing as possible without actually being a real baby.  To be more precise, they would probably prefer a real baby but settle for a realistic looking doll as the next best thing.  The dolls in question are called reborn baby dolls, and the people who make them are artists.  A toy maker is an artist too, but we call him a toymaker.  Likewise, a doll maker is a specific kind of toymaker and, thusly, also an artist.  But, the people who make reborn baby dolls are not toy makers.  They are, simply, artists.  They don’t make toys and they don’t make toy dolls.  They create works of art and sell them to people, people who seem to treasure them beyond the normal happiness a toy gives to a person.   

   

The BBC did a report on the dolls and the people who buy them.  The dolls themselves are borderline interesting, but the people who buy them, although they would deny it, have emotional problems.  They take their dolls for pram walks and hold them just as if they were real babies.  Some of them even have dedicated cribs and rooms for their baby dolls.  They check up on them in the night, they schedule time to be with them.  In short, their devotion is completely abnormal.  I may sound like I’m mocking these people, but I’m not.  Whatever happened to them in their past, to make them latch so strongly onto a lifeless object, must have been serious.  But, whatever they want to believe, it is not healthy.   

    

Watch this video and you’ll see what I’m talking about:   

    

    

    

The Artists:   

    

I’m not going to deny that the people who come up with ever more fascinating strains of marijuana are great botanists.  But, however great their skill is, I have to disagree with their decision to misappropriate a skill that could have otherwise been put to better use.  Yes, yes, marijuana is a medicine.  Still, with all the other herbal and plant based remedies that need investigating, marijuana cultivation seems a bit self serving.  About the reborn baby artists: Skillful? Yes.  Exploiting a market?  Absolutely!  They know there is a market for these dolls just like the marijuana grower knows he is never going to be put out of business by market forces (although the DEA might be a different matter).  To be completely honest, I don’t blame the marijuana grower and I don’t blame the doll maker.  It’s the people who use the product who determine the direction of a free market.  Nevertheless, and even though I believe it would be my right, I would not grow marijuana, and I would not make reborn baby dolls, and it’s for one reason that I would abstain; I do not want to be the facilitator of a destructive behavior.  That is a personal, libertarian choice of mine. The ultimate responsibility for the unhealthy behavior lies squarely on the shoulders of the people buying the dolls, and the drugs.  The drug user needs intervention, and the needy doll ladies need intervention.     

    

What do you Think?    

    

Are reborn baby dolls an unhealthy escape from reality in the same way marijuana temporarily causes people to forget their problems?  Or, is marijuana legitimately a medicine in the same way these dolls legitimately help their owners cope with deep mental stresses?  Or are the two not comparable?  It has been established that certain mental illnesses are just as real as any physical pain.  Marijuana does not actually cure any disease; it simply relieves pain.  Reborn baby dolls do not heal mental wounds; they just relieve pain.  Is that a good enough reason for needy people to lean on them?  Or is the escape more damaging than the ailment? 

192 Responses to “Reborn Babies: Pandering to a Mental Disorder”
  1. deb@birdonawire July 31, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    you’re prolly not old enough to remember the ‘cabbage patch’ kids early entre into the market…adults did the same thing with them. I’m not sure its not just the uniqueness of the things…not necessarily some deep seeded emotional issues. At any rate, they’re toys, dolls, what ever.. i wouldn’t make too much of it.

    • Keith July 31, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

      I’m 36. I remember cabbage patch kids very well. I don’t think that’s the same thing. The cabbage patch, and later the Beanie Baby, phenomena was a matter of people simply collecting and treasuring unique items. This, it seems, goes well beyond that. I don’t recall anybody ever taking a cabbage patch doll for a walk or waking up in the middle of the night to check on them. Toy fads come and go, and yes, people are a little nutty about them too, but I just think this is very different. If you get some time you should watch some of the other youtube videos on the reborn babies. I was amazed at how seriously people take them. I never would have thought that a piece of plastic could hold so much meaning for people.

      • Erica November 23, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

        They actually did and do. Google search it, it was on TLC unusual obsessions.People actually schedule play dates with their Cabbage Patch children with other Cabbage parents they build Cabbage amusement parks and put “Their children” on the rides, stroller diaper changes whole nine yards same thing maybe not as many collectors. Look it up its the SAME thing.

    • Hanna August 22, 2011 at 7:07 pm #

      I know a lot of people who make these dolls, keep them for themselves, and do not act that way with them. They have them sitting in a bassinet but they don’t check up on them or take them for walks, they are more like decoration. Mostly they are there to fill voids. People who lost children or are empty nesting or want children and cant have them for whatever reason. I don’t think its unhealthy to have these dolls they are adorable and they really are interesting.

      • Kym December 20, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

        Thank you, i agree! These dolls are an unique art! They are beautiful! They can fill a void and they can also be a hobbie, just like other unique items that people collect. Little boys played with trucks and cars, big boys do the same. Little girls played with dolls and so do big girls! No reason to right away judge people, or to say that they are mentally ill. Everyone has different likes and dislikes!

      • Herb January 5, 2012 at 11:28 am #

        I agree with Hanna. I would guess that there are many who have had abortions who use the doll to help replace the guilt of losing a child, yet my wife use to collect dolls and i remember hearing the buyers at doll shows comment that some artist were so good it was hard to tell the doll from a baby. They purchased to have that artist represented in their collections.

    • mitzee January 4, 2013 at 10:01 am #

      There is a sayin dont judge a book by its cover just because people collect. Them does. Not mean they are mentally ill most of u sayin tht probs dont even know what it means. Cos if u did u wud noy yhink people who collect dolls Are ill there is more to iy then tht and if some one løst a baby u dont know how they are feeling u never will so go dø Better with ur Tine then judging peoplr and FYI …… It is a hobby for some ppl Luke football is fot fellas and no one judges u about tht. Si u need to get a life thry have one and. Reborn babaies is theres

  2. Dennis Yu July 31, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    While these “reborns” are peculiar, you should check out what Real Dolls are. With a baby, there are only certain things you can do, which are not as interactive.

    • Keith July 31, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

      Dennis: You should have warned me before I googled that! :-) That’s wrong!

      • Toby February 2, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

        Yes, Real Dolls are wrong for the same reason these dolls are. Think about that for a moment.

  3. David Patrick July 31, 2010 at 8:35 pm #

    Dude, that freaked me out a little. As do the people who have the unusual affinity towards these dolls.
    .-= David Patrick´s last blog ..Taking a Week Off =-.

    • Keith August 1, 2010 at 3:44 pm #

      David: The first time I saw these things I thought they were pretty strange. Then I saw the people who buy them and I decided tat the people who want such realistic dolls are stranger even than the dolls themselves :-)

      • teresa January 27, 2013 at 11:11 am #

        what’s it to you? why does it matter to you that other people enjoying them so much? first off, you are not a woman, so you don’t likely have the maternal instinct (I am sure it is mostly woman enjoying them)..and secondly, who are you to judge how “strange” it is or not. I find your judgement and implied condemnation of it strange
        .

        • Toby February 2, 2013 at 11:43 pm #

          So do you find men acquiring lifelike “Real Dolls” to have sex with perfectly normal too? You don’t think those men are hiding from life and from their mental issues? Or you find cuddling fake kids OK, but having sex with fake women entirely wrong and disgusting, just because you were born with one instinct but not the other?

          • Keith February 2, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

            Toby, that’s a very interesting take on it. I have to say, if you have a blog or some outlet that generates comments you should totally write that article! That level of instigation deserves recognition! HAHAHA

      • GettingFedUp February 15, 2013 at 11:48 am #

        Thanks – really nice of you to judge me like that when you havent even met me! I MUST remember to do the same to the next GUY I see that collects toy supercars that he will never drive, airplanes that he will never fly or steam locomotives that he will never operate. Infact I know that there are plenty of men who develop “strange” connections to these things that go way beyond simple collecting. However, when a woman holds a baby it releases a hormone called Oxytocin, which is otherwise known as the “Love Hormone”. It is a hormone that causes a woman to bond with the baby she has just given birth to, and is also the hormone responsible for people falling in love. When a woman holds a reborn – a representation of a real baby, the same hormone is released into her system – so the reason why women can “bond” with reborns is not “strange” or freaky at all – it is simply the way that nature made us, and if you have an issue with that I suggest you take it up with God (or whatever you believe in).
        Now if you want to talk about mental issues then think on this: I have often wondered why some men can have such a problem with women having reborns, when they themselves often collect and develop an emotional connection to inanimate objects. Perhaps it is a deep rooted subconscious fear that THEY have not given us the babies, and that we prefer the reborns to the babies that they can give us. The simple answer to that is that as much as we love our children (and the men that give them to us) YES – there are some times when we prefer to have reborns. Reborns dont poop, cry, get us up at 2am, or grow up into grotty ungrateful teenagers. A woman dedicates a good 20 years of her life to bringing up her children – even if both partners work it is a sad but true fact that 9 times out of 10 it is the woman who has to leave her place of work to go look after their child if the child becomes sick, and a lot of women have to give up work altogether. I have known quite a few women who were the major breadwinners pre-child, but who have had to leave the workforce, rendering their families financially worse off, simply because their partners dont want to be thought of as unmanly “house-husbands”. Reborns give us the opportunity to experience all of the fun and nice things about having a baby – without ANY of the hardships and sacrifices that we have to make for 20 odd years in bringing up real children (you know – the ones that MEN give us). We FINALLY have something that is just for us – made by women, traded and bought by women, role-played with by women, to do with as WE want, when WE want and how WE want – perhaps then it isn’t so surprising that men don’t like them and will say anything to discourage us from buying them or others supporting us buying them. There are of course women who don’t like them either, just as there are men who don’t like supercars etc – but that is their prerogative – just as owning a reborn is our prerogative as well.

        • Keith February 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

          Your crazy is really highlighted by your insistence that this is somehow a men vs. women issue. It’s not. Your appeal to hypocrisy doesn’t make you sound any more rational either. You said, paraphrasing, “well, men have irrational attachments to inanimate objects — so there!” Um, that’s called a mental disorder in it’s own right, not a justification for your own mental problem. If you want to be taken seriously you’ll have to say things that are just a tiny bit more rational.

          • GettingFedUp April 5, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

            Actually what I said was that (according to your own standpoint), anyone who develops whatever kind of emotional attachment to a single thing that is not flesh and blood, does not have the right to judge anyone else. If you have never developed any kind of emotional attachment to an inanimate object, be it teddy bear, sports trophy or car, then fine – you have the right to judge. However, if not then let he who is completely without sin cast the first stone.

            • Keith April 9, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

              To rebornvalliesmommy: I can truthfully say that I have never developed any kind of emotional attachment to any inanimate object in my adult life.

          • m.p. October 12, 2013 at 5:44 am #

            I don’t think it is a mental problem for women to roll play with a reborn. it is a way for some of us with infertility issues to fill a void in their life not everyone has tens of thousands of dollars for medical procedures that may or may not work or the means to adopt a baby which all so can cost as much as buying a home so this for some women is just a way to make us fill whole and experience the same things that women with out infertility experience.

        • Amber April 11, 2013 at 10:16 pm #

          I think Reborn babies are cute and a good idea!!

  4. Mitzi August 1, 2010 at 1:27 am #

    I’ve seen these before! And I immediately was disturbed at how some people were treating them. I don’t think it’s a cure for the real problems these people have. And yet….if it helps them cope and are used as a tool while a person undergoes intervention, that makes sense. Though I think MJ is a different story. My friend smoked it once in a while during the worst of her cancer, and it really helped her stay calm and focused and she made it through finally after battling it for 4 years. Wait~ that was tool during intervention too! Aw man I guess it is the same thing. But I think alot of these doll ladies aren’t getting any other help. And that is freaky to me.

    • Keith August 1, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

      Mitzi: HAHA! I thought the same thing. My mind immediately made the drug comparison, and I said to myself “no, it’s not the same thing” but then I decided it actually was! Too funny :-)

  5. PJ Mullen August 1, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    OK that is just creepy. These people should just get little yappy dogs and dress them up. Yikes!
    .-= PJ Mullen´s last blog ..Best jammies ever =-.

    • Keith August 1, 2010 at 3:42 pm #

      PJ: Oh, the people who dress their dogs in costumes. yeah! That’s bad too.

  6. Chris August 1, 2010 at 3:30 pm #

    Abnormal, certainly. But normal is nothing to brag about these days either! I’m not sure they need intervention, unless the real intent is to make everyone else more comfortable around them.

    We could make a long list of truly destructive and antisocial behaviors that one does not exhibit, when they are too busy taking care of a fake baby.
    .-= Chris´s last blog ..The Religion of Inception =-.

    • Keith August 1, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

      Chris: That’s certainly true. Normal is relative I suppose.

  7. Mayte Sapena August 4, 2010 at 1:22 am #

    Hola soy Mayte Sapena, artesana de reborn, pueden ver mis reborn en
    reborneltallerdemayte (dot) com

    Es verdad que es un arte

  8. David Neoterik August 8, 2010 at 9:15 pm #

    Over the past few months, reborn baby dolls have become more and more popular. However, most people do not even know what a reborn baby is. Reborn babies are doll replicas of a real baby. The doll is most likely made from vinyl and often times the creator of the doll will add items such as glass or beads to get the baby a realistic feel.
    .-= David Neoterik´s last blog ..Quicktip – Mottling your Reborn =-.

  9. Real Baby Dolls August 10, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    The fact is that dolls have been around and being collected and cherished by women and girls for time eternal. What has changed though is that technology and artistic styles have advanced to such a degree that they are far more lifelike today.

  10. Dennis Yu August 10, 2010 at 10:06 pm #

    Some people sublimate their desire to have children by having pets. Others might have a real doll or a reborn baby. While perhaps odd, they’re not hurting anyone. This is America, so people should have the freedom to do as they please so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
    .-= Dennis Yu´s last blog ..A clever trick to automatically invite all your Facebook friends to be fans of your page =-.

    • Keith August 10, 2010 at 10:08 pm #

      Dennis: I agree. Even though it’s, as far as I’m concerned, a sign of a disturbed mind, it is nevertheless a person’s right to do it as long as it’s not hurting anybody else — which newborn babies don’t do.

      • Jody Jones March 6, 2013 at 9:30 pm #

        You see them as disturbed and abnormal because you don’t understand.
        Bigots are prejudiced because they are ignorant and don’t understand anything that is different from what they know and are comfortable with.
        Keith, you are a bigot.
        You also remind me of a middle school bully. Most jr. high kids naturally lack empathy, which makes them often unkind to their peers. How old are you, Keith?

        em·pa·thy [em-puh-thee]
        noun
        1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

  11. Jen August 11, 2010 at 7:59 pm #

    Sorry, not comparable, & while I won’t state that marijuana cures disease — disease is created by more than 1 cause, therefore must be “cured” by more than 1 cause — marijuana DOES do more than just alleviate pain, and yes, there is scientific evidence to support that.

    It actually focuses the mind for many, believe it or not. It truly can help your eyesight. The seeds contain essential proteins not found in modern diet. It restores the sensation of hunger for some who do not get that normal belly growl, and increases the appetite so that a sick person will seek enough proper nutrition.

    I appreciate your openness & attempt to compare in order to bring the discussion to the table, but nope, there’s no comparison, and the illusion that THC is a destructive influence is exactly what needs to be confronted. As long as casual discussion leads to the idiotic stereotypes that Hollywood feeds us, then there is no room for true knowledge or research in the discussion, and all progress comes to a halt.

    The -only- thing destructive about marijuana use is the fact that 80% of inmates are there on a marijuana charge. Furthermore, when they are released, thanks to their prison record, they are left with even more narrow options than before and are further cornered into a life of crime. So, our prisons are crowded to the point that release child molesters and rapists in our community — people who are proven beyond help of rehabilitation, and people creating a direct threat to you and yours.

    • Keith August 11, 2010 at 9:25 pm #

      Jen: Wow! I can see Marijuana is a hot topic with you. I should mention though that I completely agree with you about the pernicious effects of our drug laws. Being a libertarian I am not in favor of our war on drugs and I too believe it’s a giant waste of time to be locking up users or dealers (unless some other crime took place that harmed someone else).

      I don’t really want to get into an in depth discussion about how I think my comparison does have some relevance because i can see you’re really passionate about the drug thing, and it would probably be a pointless argument. However, I would like to thank you for taking the time to discuss it. I get what you’re saying, and disagree in part with all the benefits some say marijuana has. I in no way think it’s a miracle drug. Rather, I think it’s just a drug that people take to feel better. Anyway, thanks for coming by!

  12. maanda August 21, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    OWh gives a fuck. You guys are dillusional.I think reborns are great. They may not cure but neither does meds.they just cover it up

  13. maanda August 21, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    If a doll makes someone feel better. Then why not let them be….you are a bunch of selfish people that think of nobody but yourselves.. I would rather have my fears covered up with something that makes me feel goood then something that makes me feel bad. If you don’tlike them you don’t have to. But keep your oppinion to yourself thank you very much

  14. Libbie September 1, 2010 at 11:16 am #

    I don’t think that EVERYONE that has one of these dolls has a mental disorder. I guess it could be just like any other collection, but instead of collecting bottle caps, stamps, or baseball cards…they collect reborns.
    It definitely fills a gap for some people, whether they be lonely widows, empty-nesters, or people who don’t feel needed by their children anymore. I don’t see a problem with these people having reborns and treating them like real babies. Women have a need to nurture. It’s an instinct. Simple as that.

    • Keith September 1, 2010 at 11:26 am #

      Libbie: That’s fair enough. I suppose some people might just innocently collect them like I might collect bottle caps. I accept that. However, the people who treat them like real babies and try to nurture them as if they were real — I still think there’s a mental problem there.

  15. K Maier September 2, 2010 at 11:17 am #

    I love reborns. And actually make them, have sold a few on Ebay and made them for friends and relatives. It is an art form, not a mental disorder. We practice our work to get it as good as possible. People have bought newborn babies from toy makers forever, and just because these are more real looking, with better skin color,rooted hair, etc is no reason to put them down. I do agree that some of the collectors do go to far, and maybe there is a reason. Possibly the lose of a child etc, but if it makes them feel better and dosent hurt anyone, then what is the problem.

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 11:55 am #

      K Maier: Yes! I completely agree it’s an art form. I said that quite clearly in fact. I did not say the artists had a mental disorder. I don’t have a problem with people buying these things just for the sake of collecting them and treating them like what they really are. I have a problem with people who use them as substitutes for real babies. That’s not healthy in my opinion. Reality is a healthy place to be.

      • freddy January 4, 2013 at 2:56 am #

        Reality is subjective

  16. Melody Hess September 2, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    First of all, I am NOT a toy maker, I am an artist that SCULPTS these babies that are turned into reborn dolls. And second, they are NOT made of plastic. They are made of very soft silicone/vinyl. Third…..these are collector dolls and yes some women do take their baby dolls places with them. Maybe it is a kind of theropy that they need that nothing or noone else can give them. Maybe it’s just the fact that they are so amazed by the art they want to show it off…Maybe it’s the fact that they are filling a void in their life with them….Nobody frowns on men collecting model cars, butterflies, baseball cards or what have you….Consider this a collective piece of art and if people want to carry them around so be it…they are NOT hurting anyone!!

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 11:51 am #

      Melody: I don’t think you read the article. I said you people are artists. No dispute there. Who cares what they’re made out of?

  17. Gina September 2, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    They don’t have any more mental problems than a grown man who thinks he is almighty and his opinion is all there is, so you have to agree with him and it’s his job to judge others.

    Do you think grown men that have an entire model train collection set up in their garage and “play” with their trains have mental problems? They put on their little engineers cap and striped overalls and go out and play with their trains, what is the difference? They are pretending to run a railroad. Those men buy accessories for their little train towns, changing it for different seasons and holidays. What is the difference? Nether one is hurting anybody by their collections. So why knock what someone collects?

    Reborn dolls have a healing and calming aspect about them. Have you even seen one placed in the arms of an Alzheimer’s patient? I have seen an Alzheimer’s patient that had been crying for days, suddenly stop crying and smile when a reborn was placed in her arms. She didn’t get nutty, she became calm and stayed calm long after the doll was removed from her arms.

    Those that treat them like real babies and treat them like they were real are very few and far between.

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 11:53 am #

      Gina: You’re funny. You guys are taking this so seriously. When did I say you have to agree with me? Sorry, that’s just a stupid statement. I see you don’t agree with me. Fine, have at it. Is that therapeutic for you :-)

      And regarding the guys who have the little train sets. It all depends on how seriously they take it. Is it just a pastime or does it consume their lives? Reborn babies can be a pastime or they can be an unhealthy obsession. No difference. Wonder why you think I’d be more favorable to a typical male unhealthy obsession than a female one? That’s a little assumptive.

  18. A.Brown September 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    I’m not sure why you really care about this topic. What is it that makes you so uncomfortable? It’s interesting that you have nothing better to do with you time than this!

    I’ve seen all sorts of behavior from all types of people…the key is to realize it’s not for you, me or anyone else to judge. You will never understand a person’s “peculiar to you” behavior, because you are not that person. Just as I don’t understand your need to bring this up….interesting!

    “PJ: Oh, the people who dress their dogs in costumes. yeah! That’s bad too”…why would you make that comment? I guess you are judge and jury! I think it’s funny and the pets sure don’t seem to mind. It appears they enjoy the attention!

    “The first time I saw these things I thought they were pretty strange. Then I saw the people who buy them and I decided tat the people who want such realistic dolls are stranger even than the dolls themselves”…I wonder who thinks you are strange…just a thought!

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 1:07 pm #

      A.Brown: People write their opinions on blogs. That’s what blogs are. You don’t have to agree, obviously, but it’s downright dumb to suggest people should keep their mouths shut if they express an opinion that’s different than yours. Have you ever heard of debate? I speak and write opinions because I think they’re thought provoking and interesting. I don’t need a better reason. I care about this topic because I find it interesting; I find the people who collect the dolls interesting and I find the people who make them interesting. A side effect of that interest is my opinion. Again, people do not need a better reason than that to express themselves. The “key” that you don’t understand is that it absolutely IS the purview of human beings to judge each other. We do it all day long. My opinion, in itself, is a judgement of everything around me, just like your judgement of PJ and I is nothing more than your opinion. Keep in mind, that by your statements, you are judging us. But, you can do that, right? We just aren’t allowed to because you disagree? That makes no sense.

  19. Lizzie September 2, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    “maternal instinct.”

  20. Tracy September 2, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    It’s funny when someone that knows nothing about the doll collecting world bases his facts from nonsense. I know many women who collect these dolls, yes we discuss the art on forums, share pictures and just talk about life in general, yet I have never heard anyone talk about getting up at night with their doll. Yes we hold them, like someone would cuddle a teddy bear, yet that doesn’t come with a mental illness tag on it. They are not replacing a real baby, many of the ladies have young children that collect. Simply put reborn dolls are an art form, just like a painting on the wall, but the fun thing about them is we can take them with us and show them off if we want. There is nothing wrong with an adult that still likes to play, so who said us ladies that love dolls aren’t aloud to still play. Maybe you should really get true facts before you write nonsense, but maybe thats your hobby, judging others, him maybe you have some type of mental illness that you feel the need to express your thoughts about others in a blog, I wonder how much of your time is consumed in your writing, yes maybe we should all anyalize that. I mean Keith I am worried you only like your wife and kids, maybe you don’t know how to love, maybe you need to find others to put down to feel better about yourself. Think before you speak, if your going to make statements maybe you should make sure you know what your talking about.

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 9:47 pm #

      Tracy: This is my job. I write full time. You’re really worried that I only like my wife and kids? I doubt that. I suspect you just said it for rhetorical purposes. My opinion that people who become obsessed with a hobby, in this case reborn babies, are unhealthy is completely valid. Sorry it cuts deep for you. You must feel hurt enough to defend yourself from an opinion that does you no real harm. That means you’re either a collector yourself or you stand to make money from selling reborn babies. Why are you so defensive? How does my opinion hurt you? Can’t you go on without being mean? How would you know anything about how I love? You’d say something like that just because you feel personally hurt by an opinion? My ability to love aside, maybe you could use some perspective. I’m not putting anybody down. I’m stating the obvious. People who become obsessed with reborn babies are mentally ill. People who make them make money off of that illness. Those are the facts. Obsession is never healthy. Obvious.

  21. Elisabetta September 2, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Well here I am, I’m one of the “artists exploiting a market”. I create and collect myself reborn dolls.
    I can tell you that “obsession” is not the word I have in mind thinking of my collection. I don’t stroll my dolls around, and believe me night is made for sleeping, when morning comes I have a family and a full time job waiting for me, forget the doll’s “needs”!
    One thing i’m extremely wary of is people who feel the need to put down others and label them as “wrong”. Everybody has an opinion… personally I may think golf is the most boring thing in the world, and train collectors leave me cold and uninterested. My husband is a technician, I can’t discern a car from an iron skillet for the life of me.
    But nonetheless there are people who feel the need to say that I’m obsessed, insane, exploiting other people’s obsessions, and wrong.
    Without even knowing me.
    And before you reply, I can assure you that my life is pretty average, serene, and there are no known traumas or losses or infertility in my history to cause my preference for dolls. I simply like dolls, and I chose them as my canvas. The only thing linking my past to what I do now you may find is a major in Arts. ;)
    My best regards, and I hope you will be serene.

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 11:11 pm #

      Elisabetta: I tried really hard to draw the distinction between people who collect as a hobby and those who become obsessed. I don’t know how many people do it simply because they find it interesting or unique vs. those who use it as a crutch for mental damage. But, believe me when I say that one of those scenarios is completely healthy and the other totally is not. I personally find the babies very interesting from an artistic standpoint. I understand why people collect them, just like I understand how people have an interest in model trains. I’m trying to be very specific in my criticism. I wrote about reborn babies simply because I read about them in a hobby book at the bookstore and then looked them up online and found that BBC video. It interested me, but I also questioned how some people rationalized their unhealthy obsession with them. Again, I don’t know how many people are obsessed vs. how many just have a little fun. A little fun is fine. I’m surprised by some of the past comments here from people who immediately get defensive without making the distinction between obsession and normal hobby. Any obsession is bad. I just happened to do a reborn baby obsession article this time.

  22. Karen September 2, 2010 at 11:12 pm #

    It seems you’ve created a bit of a stir with some reborn artists- but then I’m sure you intended to be provocative in order to get a response.
    http://www.doll-fan.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=231738
    Personally I find it funny. I like reborn dolls and I have a couple sitting on my piano. I’m also starting to make them. I certainly don’t take them out in prams, or get up to them in the middle of the night, buy expensive clothes for them etc. It’s enough having to do that with my children! I like that they sit there- they don’t need changing, feeding, they don’t wake me up in the middle of the night- they just sit there and look pretty! I think they are beautiful :) I guess there are some who gain an unhealthy obsession, but then there are so many things in this world that people gain an unhealthy obsession with!

    • Keith September 2, 2010 at 11:50 pm #

      Karen: That is absolutely true! Almost anything can become unhealthy when absorbed by an unhealthy mind. You’re right, I wrote this article to be provocative. I also wanted to be truthful though. I didn’t mean for so many people to take it like I was saying all reborn baby enthusiasts are mentally off. Certainly not. But, apparently you’re right, there are certainly a number of people ready to come to the defense of reborn babies! :-)

  23. karina September 3, 2010 at 12:52 am #

    why is all this worse than the man who devotes all his time to his model trains?
    or the man who devotes all his time to modelboats or aeroplanes?

    every time a man devotes into something play-like, its okay, and he is admired for what he creates and can do with it all.
    As soon as a woman does the same- shes sick and mentally ill and ought to either get herself a life or be admitted on the closed ward at a mental hospital.

    it is people like YOU, “almighty dad” that makes the world dangerous to live in!!

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:16 am #

      Karina: It’s not worse than the guy who devotes all his time to his model trains. I’m making no gender differentiation here. Are you really serious that I make the world dangerous to live in? Karina, terrorists make the world dangerous. You think my words are dangerous? In what way? I’ve gotta say that sounds like hyperbole that has no place in a rational discussion.

  24. Melissa September 3, 2010 at 1:27 am #

    Wow, had you done some research…real research , maybe you could’ve avoided many defensive comments.
    Reborn and sculpt artists have had almost 100% negative media coverage..from BBC to others, who have portrayed the reborning artists and collectors as ‘crazy people’ who unhealthily use these dolls as real babies, take them out in strollers, shopping, etc. Those people are the very few collectors who do take things a little too far; however, the reborning artists and most collectors treat them AS the dolls they are, and in no way substitute them for children because of losses or infertility issues. In fact, several very prominent TV shows did come to a popular doll forum and ask everyone if they would be interested in participating in the shows to introduce reborn art dolls to the public. Without fail, (and except for the few obsessive collectors) every single show that has been done has edited the contents of the interviews and taken them from a normal artistic hobby and edited them to present the artists as all being crazy and mentally unstable. They were not interested in showing the world the truth, and that most all of these reborn artists and collectors are normal people and not mentally ill; they only cared about their ratings and sensationalism. After having this happen numerous times, artists and collectors cannot help but become defensive towards anyone who portrays them otherwise. In all fairness, it would’ve really been helpful to really search and learn that these ARE normal people. And as someone else said, cannot be held responsible or blamed for those few who may have mental issues. Those few certainly shouldn’t be broadcast around the world as representing the majority.
    This is your blog and you can comment as you see fit; but please remember as you do comment, that investigating thoroughly will give you an honest assessment of any situation and not just the unusual view of a few unbalanced people. These ladies who have responded to your blog are ladies who are in the majority of normal artists and collectors and are very tired of seeing blogs, interviews and tv shows who are only looking for a negative angle and sensationalism to better pad their own pockets.
    So, please try to understand where these ladies who have responded are coming from. They’re good people, amazingly skilled people, who are very normal. A few bad apples doesn’t mean the whole cart is spoiled.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:21 am #

      Melissa: I accept that most of the doll collectors and artists are perfectly normal people. I’ve written 500 articles this past year. I write them as impressions and opinions based on whatever I happen to have read or looked at most recently and that I find interesting. I don’t pretend to have done extensive research. In fact, I read about reborn babies in a craft magazine, then I looked them up in a hobby book — then I found some videos and websites online. My “research” took me a grand total of about an hour and a half. Hardly thorough. So, I accept what you say as someone who is representing this community. Perhaps I should do a follow up article and use some comments from you all.

  25. Lana September 3, 2010 at 4:33 am #

    First of all, I want to say, that you really need to do some research before you state your “opinion” that all reborn artists and people who collect them mentally ill.
    You are basing your opinion on something you saw on tv. Do you really think that they will put the truth on a news story? They don’t want the boring truth, that this is art, and the people who collect them are just doll collectors. That is too boring for them. So they set out to find the rare collector who treats the dolls like they are real babies.
    I have been making these babies for many years now, and over that time, I have probably sold 250-300 dolls. I have lost count. Not once, have any of my buyers bought a doll to replace a lost child, or wanted the doll because they were infertile, or because they were a nut case. Every one of my customers have just been ladies that collect dolls. Sure, some of them have “doll rooms”. Some have sent me pictures. But they are not like a baby nursery, to take care of one like a real baby. Most doll rooms are decorated in pink, lace, and frills, and a baby bed or bassinet. The baby beds usually hold 4 or 5 dolls for DISPLAY. If they are an avid or wealthy collector, they will have dolls sitting all over the room, displayed in rocking chairs, shelves, doll cases, etc.. Is that treating a doll like a real baby? Would you put a real baby in a crib with a bunch of other babies? Would you sit a real baby up on a shelf? I would say about 98% of the women that collect, are just normal doll collectors.

    This is the same difference as a man who has a room devoted to his baseball collection, his wall painting collection, or his model train or car collection. That’s all it is, COLLECTING. To say that the collectors are mentally ill is ridiculous. Is the man who plays with his train set from time to time mentally ill or disturbed? Is he making up for the fact that he has issues because all his life he missed his true calling of being a train engineer? I don’t think so.

    It is also ridiculous to say that the reborn doll artists are exploiting anyone. Exploiting what? Having a collection of something you are interested in? Is the Lionel Train company exploiting men who are trying to “escape reality”? Please.

    It is really going too far to compare doll collecting and doll making to drugs or smoking marijuana . Making or collecting dolls does not get you high. It does not relieve pain of any kind. That is an absurd thing to say.

    Have you even seen or held a reborn doll in person? They can be painted to look very real, but they are just vinyl dolls. They do not feel soft like a real baby, they don’t move like a real baby. There is no way possible for anyone to replace a child with these dolls. I love making them, and the collectors love them, but they are just dolls, period. The good ones are just very beautiful and realistic looking DOLLS.

    Like I said before, every documentary, or news story on TV are manipulating it all to make the artists and collectors seem crazy. They post on forums, and such to find the rare collector who takes things to the extreme. To tell how it really is, would be way too boring for tv, and they would then not have a story, would they?

    I get the impression, that you may have some issues about the reborn dolls. Do you have a wife or a girlfriend who is one of the rare collectors who is just a little nutty? Or maybe one who is spending too much of your money on the dolls? Another question, do you collect anything, or have an interest or obsession with sports maybe? Whatever it is, someone could easily turn it around to make it look like your obsessed or mentally disturbed.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:24 am #

      Lana: I never said “all reborn artists and people who collect them are mentally ill.” I did base my opinion on the media reports I saw and a few publications that talked about it. My impression, based on those reports was exactly as I stated here. No denying that. I don’t collect anything, and I’d never even heard of reborn babies the day before I wrote this article. I suppose if someone wanted to make me look crazy, they could. Again, I’m not denying that that sort of thing happens regularly with the media.

  26. Robin September 3, 2010 at 5:56 am #

    Perhaps a few of your statements may have been the provoking element!

    The BBC did a report on the dolls and the people who buy them. The dolls themselves are borderline interesting, but the people who buy them, although they would deny it, have emotional problems

    and this one:

    But, however great their skill is, I have to disagree with their decision to misappropriate a skill that could have otherwise been put to better use.

    I do not want to be the facilitator of a destructive behavior.

    Yes I took the most provocative statements out of your blog, I certainly hope you haven’t based your decision that all artists and buyers of reborn baby DOLLS..(let’s not forget they are ONLY DOLLS,) on the one video and a few articles written on the net. Perhaps you may want to meet a reborn DOLL artists, and if not too scary, a collector!
    The majority are just that collectors, your statements are a bit misleading that ALL artists and collectors don’t have a RIGHT to practice their art or their collecting.

    I have a hidden secret, I collect sock monkeys..because I like them, they bring back childhood memories, and the makers of these monkeys are well known skillfull sculptors! (ok I made that up, no sock monkeys here, but they are kind of cute)
    Just wanted to make the point that there are many people who collect things perhaps you have no interest in, and what they do with that collection, as long as it has no effect on you and yours, just move on.
    Hmm I wonder if your wife would like a replica of one of your children in their most innocent stage in life, as a newborn?

    Just my opinion!

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:35 am #

      Robin: Absolutely! I made those statements after having gleaned my initial impression. In fact, since I’ve been visiting some of your sites and reading more about the dolls in the last 24 hrs (seems to be when all these comments started happening) I can truthfully say the dolls are more than borderline interesting. They are very interesting. And, judging from all these comments from, it seems, mostly artists, I’d be interested to know what the actual demographic of the doll collectors themselves are. I’m sure the BBC and 20/20 did pick out the collectors who are more nutty than average. That’s what makes TV, right? To be honest, I did base my opinion on the few reports I saw and what I read. Like I said to a previous commenter, I crank out an article every day and rarely do I have the time to really go out on interviews and do big time research (there have been several notable exceptions, but mostly I just write op-ed stuff). This was all just a little tongue in cheek when I wrote it. Who would’ve thunk there’d be so many people popping up to defend dolls? Well, now I know! :-)

  27. Lorna September 3, 2010 at 6:39 am #

    Keith, I don’t need to put my 2 cents in, as a few artists already have, such as Melody, Karen, Tracy, Elisabetta, Gina, these ladies have said everything I was going to say. What I want to say is: Send me a picture of one of your children when they were babies, I can sculpt a baby for you to look 90% like that baby picture. I’m sure that your wife would love to have a doll that looks like one of your children. I’m a self taught artist. This is my passion, my art.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:36 am #

      Lorna: That’s a very nice offer. I think I may need to do a follow up article after receiving all these comments (some friendly, some not so much).

  28. Mandy September 3, 2010 at 8:19 am #

    I am a doll collector and I do have many reborns as well as artist manufactured dolls in my collection. My dolls bring me a lot of joy. It is fun to dress them up for different seasons and holidays and they cause me to smile when I look at them. I do not treat them as if they are real children or babies. I do not get up in the night to check on them, I do not serve them meals or fix bottles for them, none of that stuff for me. I like that they are just dolls and not real children with real needs. I do not have emotional issues, I was not lacking anything throughout life and use dolls to compensate. I just happen to like the many different beautiful dolls that are out there. Same as some collect tea cups, plates, trains, hundreds of other things. To each their own, as they say. I would never put someone else down for what they wish to collect. If it brings them joy it is great. As long as a person isn’t hurting someone else by it, such as not providing for the family, etc., let them collect and love what they want.
    I appreciate the many artists who create these beautiful dolls. I only wish I could paint as well. I am talented in knitting, sewing, and crochet but I never could draw or paint too good. I think artistic talent is something to be praised, not put down.
    As for the obcessed? I don’t think there are really too many people like that, at least not that I have seen. I do know that dolls are known to calm a lot of alzheimer patients and I think that is a wonderful thing.
    Well, thats just my two cents.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 9:39 am #

      Mandy: You’re right. As long as a hobby stays just a hobby and doesn’t consume a persons life, take away from their interactions with friends or relatives or otherwise mask a real problem — yeah, I have no issue with that. Thanks for commenting and adding to the discussion, Mandy!

  29. Margie September 3, 2010 at 9:34 am #

    Hello, Keith!

    While you are entitled to your opinion, I really don’t think that BBC program, or others like it, represent doll artists or collectors very well. If you do a little more research, you may find that those programs intentionally slant their “reporting” in a specific direction to get ratings. They did contact a number of us before filming and were only interested in artists and collectors whose words they could twist to make us all seem a little nutty.

    I am sure there are a few collectors who do buy our dolls to make up for some lack in their lives. We have no control over who buys them. As artists, we are driven to create and will do so even if no one is buying. With most of us, money is not the motivation. Most reborn artists realize only enough profit to purchase supplies for the next baby doll. How is that capitalizing on someone’s mental illness?

    Many collectors pay a lot of money for their dolls. Packed away in boxes is not a practical way to show off a collection. Of course they create nice displays for them and keep them safe. Just as you would put your car in a garage or antiques in a curio cabinet. The most natural way to display a baby doll is in a baby crib or pram.

    How do you display your bottle caps? Do you arrange them artfully or hide them away and count them late at night?

  30. karina September 3, 2010 at 10:14 am #

    Yes, Keith, I seriously DO think that people like you make the world dangerous to live in. You’re a terrorist in your own way. You form an oppinion of people caring for their beautiful dolls, scream to the world about how sick they are. And people who consider themselves “normal” are afraid of “sick” people, and will jump your bandwaggon to call reborn collectors sick, and before we know it, we’ll have a witchhunt. So many “normal” people wait for reasons to point fingers at others, just look at some of the reactions you’ve had from male readers, take part in demonstrations and god knows what. During worldwar 2, mentally ill people were sent to the concentration camps killed in gaschambers, because Hitler wanted to “clean the world” from people that were not “normal” in one or another way. And with all the hatred that goes on today, also the rizing interest in new-nazism, people like you are dangerous. By posting about how sick reborn collectors are, spread it out to your readers who spread it on to others “oh gosh you’ve gotta see this” and then it goes on… at some point the whole world will see how “mentally sick” reborn people are, and will be targets for evil people’s need to react. Why the need to make your post in the first place? Why not make a post about how wonderful it is when a mentally ill lady finds her peace in cuddling a reborn doll, instead of filling herself with medicines that drug her to sleep 24 hours a day, and doesn’t have a life? At least with a reborn doll, she feels she has a life, and something to fill the gap in her heart with.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 10:28 am #

      Karina: I’ll just let you hang yourself with that invective, karina. Makes you look pretty foolish.

      Actually, Karina — I was thinking about doing another article about reborn babies. I was going to listen to the artists and the collectors and then try to paint a picture of the whole business from their perspective. Maybe I’ll just take your statements here if you consider yourself a representative of your community. How that sound?

  31. karina September 3, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    Keith, I’m not a representative of any community. But it pisses me so incredibly off when people who consider themselves normal, or better than others, take upon themselves to judge others and call them mentally ill, just because they indulge into a hobby, with a passion that fills them out and make their lives more happy to live. So many ladies can’t have children, so many ladies have lost infants. Does that make them mentally ill? no.
    SOME of these ladies find comfort in cuddling a real life looking doll, known as a reborn doll. It makes them less unhappy to have this doll to cuddle, and suddenly they ARE mentally ill after all?

    Who are you, to start labelleing people as mentally ill, just because they indulge in a passion or a hobby that seems strange to you and others?

    I do make reborn dolls, yes.
    I used to collect reborn dolls, yes.
    And yes, I used to cuddle them when I was younger and not yet had my own children, but really wanted them with all my heart.

    But mentally ill because of that?

    I dare say I’m not!

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 11:43 am #

      Karina: When you willy nilly start calling people terrorists and tossing out the idea that somehow I’m a danger to society — yeah, you’re mentally ill. That’s not a medical diagnosis, but I’m pretty confident that at least you lack perspective and you are unstable enough to get so rabid about something which doesn’t really matter to your quality of life. Back up a little, take a breath, and meditate on your anger. I don’t care if you’re upset. It doesn’t have any impact on my life. Likewise, why should I have enough sway over you to make you mad? Can’t you just read something you disagree with, explain your side of things, and move on with your life. That’s what adults do, Karina. They disagree, we learn things from each other, and we move on.

  32. MandyJ September 3, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    I suggest you stop picking on karina, she has ‘many’ friends in the doll world, I’m one of them and Karina was making a valid point.
    If you didn’t want to be verbally attacked by collectors and artists you shouldn’t have drawn first blood!
    By the way, well said ladies!
    I am also a doll collector ‘of all kinds’ and I take offence at being equated with a drug addict!
    I ‘do not’ get up in the night to ‘care’ for my baby dolls nor do I ‘devote’ special time for them during the day.
    I ‘play’ with my dolls when I have the time …
    ie, change the outfits, pose, take pictures, sometimes cuddle yes and my husband does not have a problem with that!
    Bash one of us, you bash us all!

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 11:39 am #

      Mandy: How do I care if you criticize me? Seriously. Explain how that effects me even a little? Go ahead and pile on. Actually, I was starting to enjoy my conversations with some of the ladies who commented quite respectfully earlier. I had started to learn something about the people who are involved in the collecting and making of the dolls. That’s sorta what discussion is. However, when people like you come in here and start throwing around phrases like “You’re a terrorist” and “Draw first blood” I’m inclined to believe some of you really are completely off your rockers. You want to portray yourselves as a mob? Do you really want to do that? If you want to be taken seriously, and you want your message heard, acting crazy is not an effective method.

  33. karina September 3, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    AND here you go AGAIN, Keith, calling a person you don’t know at all, mentally ill.

    Yes, I call you a terrorist – there’s many forms of terror.

    And you call reborn collectors – and me – mentally ill.

    You don’t know ME, you don’t know ANY of the persons who collect these dolls, and yet you call US ill… how about taking a look at yourself, “almighty dad” and get down from your high horse!

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

      Karina: People who treat these babies as if they are real are ABSOLUTELY mentally ill. I have already stated multiple times here that I have no problem with people collecting them as a simple hobby. Jeez, I don’t really know what your problem is. But, you call me a terrorist and you won’t take it back. Yup, YOU (not the people here who were nice and who I was able to have a discussion with) most certainly are one of the crazies I was talking about. You’re taking it all way too seriously. Maybe you need to put down your hobby for a while if you can’t lighten up a little and have a rational discussion.

  34. Mandy September 3, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    There are many, many doll collectors out here. And I believe the reason some get so defensive when anything negative is posted on the internet about our hobby is because of the awful way the commentaries presented on the television made us look. They edited those to make it look like only sickos and crazies were reborn doll collectors. They could have shown the beautiful art for what it really is but they seemed to want to sensationalize it into something it really isn’t.
    I do not create reborn dolls to sell but I do make some for my own collection. If I did choose to sell, I would never let the idea of misappropriating a skill or exploiting the art stop me. I do not believe selling a beautiful doll is facilitating destructive behavior. Even if a mentally challenged person does carry a doll around, what is the harm in that? Who is it hurting? Mental illness is, unfortunately, a real condition for some. But I think in no way is it determined by a love for dolls. And wouldn’t it be cruel to take a doll away from such a person?
    I have seen a grown man in a city near where I live, push a doll around in a stroller. I was not apalled by that. I have enough compassion within me to recognise he probably has some issues, but that doll and stroller weren’t bothering me at all. Only a qualified medical person could determine if that doll was helping or hurting his well being. Not my opinion.
    I think we doll collectors need some positive insight shown about our hobby. And in any debate, name calling and mud slinging never gets anyone anywhere.

    • Keith September 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm #

      Mandy: You’re right, the guy pushing the baby around doesn’t harm anybody. It’s a little strange, but it’s perfectly harmless to you and me. I agree with that. The people who take these dolls (or any hobby) too seriously use their passion to cover some pain. I see that as a way to hide from their problems, and I think problems have a tendency to get worse over time. It stands to reason that if someone covers melanoma with a band aid, they’re still continuing to get sick underneath. The band aid isn’t really the issue, the disorder itself is the real problem. Likewise reborn babies aren’t the problem. It’s the people who use them as band-aids for something else. But, like so many people here seem to be saying, the mentally ill folks are few and far between in the doll collecting world. I accept that. No argument here.

  35. Mandy September 3, 2010 at 4:45 pm #

    And I do agree that any passion or hobby that is addictive needs to be checked. It is easy for me to want more and more all the time but I have realized I am about out of room for any more and really have spent enough. These dolls are expensive. And prices going up all the time. They don’t all hold a good resale value, most times you sell for a lot less than you paid. Other than that, my hobby has been great fun and something I am only enjoying in retirement. When I was raising my family and working, I could not afford them. But I am alone now, so I can spend my money as I want. A lot of times I do give up doing or getting something just so I can spend it on a doll. But no one is hurting from that but me. I do not go without the necessities, I mean some other outing or shopping purchase.

  36. Dennis Yu September 3, 2010 at 7:37 pm #

    If these ladies want to have their reborn babies to collect, caress, take a stroll in the park, change their diapers, heat up to “real baby temperature” in the oven– that’s fine by me. This is the United States and they’re not committing a crime or hurting anyone. The Constitution affords citizens the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness– so I’m guessing that this falls in the 3rd category.

    Pornography is legal, as is the “collection” of sex toys– so why not allow these ladies to collect as well? Some may make the argument that this infantilizes society or prevents them from dealing with reality, but I believe it’s an honest coping mechanism. Would the XBOX be considered the same because kids want to escape reality for a bit to shoot police officers and drive stolen cars wildly around town?

    Others in this thread have mentioned these babies are expensive, so it’s likely that “collecting” these realistic dolls can create financial strains or take up some much time that they are hidden from society. I have a road bike that is worth $5,000– more than an average bicycle. Yet people can claim that it’s an irregular fascination. But if you consider any hobby where one is engaged at significant depth, it would not seem normal to outsiders.

    Look at the outburst from the Real Doll community, I mean reborn baby community, at this post. They band together to defend one another, as it’s a strong point of identity. I happen to like to eat Cheetos, but not to the degree that I’d go out of my way to defend why they’re not fattening and full of empty calories.

    Thou dost protest too much.

  37. MandyJ September 4, 2010 at 4:08 am #

    Can I just clarify that when you see the doll body parts in the oven, they are not being heated up to simulate a baby’s body temperature :)
    They are in fact sealing the heat set paints that have used to paint the doll.

    I defended Karina because I have known her for a long time and she is a wonderful person! I will not stand by and allow a stranger to verbally bully her.
    Her original post was innoffensive and the original poster was the first person to use the word terrorist thus provoking a reaction.

    The original poster stated in a roundabout way that all doll collectors are akin to drug addicts and the people who make the dolls are exploiting our ‘sickness’

    If someone approaches me in a ‘mature’ manner and asks about my hobby, I will explain but if someone approaches me and starts name calling I am going to retaliate!

    I collect baby dolls, barbie dolls, tonner dolls and a few sindy dolls and I have several doll houses too.

    Alot of us have extensive collections of vintage dolls and if it were not for people like us, those beautiful dolls of days gone by would be lost forever.

    MJ

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 8:13 am #

      Mandy: Is this statement what you consider polite from Karina? “it is people like YOU, “almighty dad” that makes the world dangerous to live in!!”

      I replied and pointed out that terrorists are a danger to society, not me, to which she replied that I am a terrorists. Don’t be stupid please. Her first comment was far from polite and level headed. She started with the specious argument that somehow I approve of a “man’s” unhealthy behavior (thus suggesting I’m a misogynist) while haranguing women. Please! That’s offensive right there — not to mention that she actually said I was a danger to society. She, nor you, are going to bully me with irresponsible rhetoric like that. I’m not the bully around here. That’s ridiculous.

  38. Miss Picky September 4, 2010 at 2:24 pm #

    What a totally uninformed opinion!
    Maybe you should get a job and educate yourself because tou sure are stupid!

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

      Miss Picky: What sort of job would you suggest? Because your opinion matters so much. :-)

  39. Anne September 4, 2010 at 4:13 pm #

    I find this blog almost amusing in it’s ignorance.
    Yes I collect baby dolls. Some in silicone and some are original artist creations (made from modeling sculpt). I also collect wax dolls (mine are from the 1850′s) and bisques.

    I have two kids (one adult and one teen; perfectly healthy, normal and productive young people). My kids like my dolls and have grown up with the fact that their mum is besotted with dolls (I have collected since the first one was a baby).

    Dolls are mirrors of our society. Be it their production, which changed with the industrialization of Europe or the way children and adult interact with dolls.They would be dressed in the fashion of the day; from huge ballgowns to the plain look of the Amish). Economic circumstances of their young owners would often be present in the choice of doll(dolls could be the cheapest made rag-doll or the Bru Bebes or poured wax dolls; both made for the extremely wealthy)…but they were equally loved. In France the first bisque dolls were made by highly skilled factory workers and in Germany much were home industry.
    To a collector they are not mere dolls. They are all artist productions be it a Jumeau Triste (Long face Jumeau from 1870′s) (the the original head sculpt for the mold is attributed to Albert-Ernest Carrier-Belleuse), an 1850′s wax doll made by Pierotti or Montenari or one of todays dolls made by a present day sculptor.

    Today the market is divided; some collect antique/vintage dolls and some modern babies. Some collect both. We are from all different corners of the world; some old some young, some are well off and some scrape by. Some collectors cuddle their baby-dolls, some keep the in displays.
    The common thread is that we do love dolls.

    Just a few facts from the past (as you can see the difference between past and present are closer than you’d think).
    Did you know that the large bisque dolls (40-42″ tall) from the last century were called companion dolls, and were often owned by adult ladies. back in their day, or that the tiniest of porcelain dolls were called porridge dolls (to get fussy little ones to finish their porridge). Or that before fashion magazines came it was the trend to have dolls dressed up in the latest Paris fashions to show what was in vogue so that young ladies could have the latest fashions. The French court dolls owned by adult aristocracy were used to send notes hidden in their clothes to secret lovers (some of them were very daringly painted; Or that the French bodouir dolls were the high fashions for young Parisiennes to take for a stroll in the 1920′s?

    I might have written this in vain; more for educational purposes that because I feel insulted. I hate ignorance and research is needed before passing judgement on something you clearly know absolutely nothing about!

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 4:36 pm #

      Anne: if I had wanted to write an article concerning the history of dolls then that’s what I would have done. But, I didn’t do that. I wrote about the unhealthy obsession some people have with reborn baby dolls. I didn’t write about dolls in general or any of the history you just posted. It’s undeniable that some people have obsessions that aren’t healthy. That obsession has nothing to do with the history of dolls or any other intellectual curiosity. It has to do with their unresolved feelings that they’ve chosen to use dolls to mask. Yup, that’s even what the psychiatrists say. So, I appreciate the history lesson (I really do), but that’s not what I wrote about.

  40. Lana September 4, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    I just want to reply to a comment by Dennis Yu. Doll parts are not put into the oven to heat to real baby temperature. Collectors don’t stick their babies in the oven. The doll artist who paints the kits have to heat set the paints so that the paint will remain permanent. Most reborn artists use Genesis Heat Set Paint. Some use their home oven, some use a convection oven, and some use a heat gun. Some painters also use the same paint.

    Also, do you eat Cheetoes for a living? No, so it is unfair to compare this as to why people are coming to the defense of reborn dolls. Alot of reborn artists do this for a living, it pays the bills. Of course, we are going to defend our jobs, our livelihood.

    You also spoke of the “real doll community” and corrected and said “reborn dolls”. Was that a sarcastic remark, comparing real dolls to reborn dolls? If I am not mistaken, aren’t real dolls, those life-size silicone dolls made to have sex with? Reborn dolls are collectible baby dolls, not a human-like sex toy, so you cannot compare them.

    Also, really good reborn dolls are very expensive, because a lot of work and talent go into making them. Just as a good painting is expensive. Not just anyone can pick up a doll kit, and paint it to look real. There are a lot who try however. You can see many poorly made reborn dolls on ebay, there are plenty of them.

  41. Mandy September 4, 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    Anne, I appreciated your input, very well said and contributed to the debate, imho. We are trying to make the point that not all reborn doll creators/collectors are mentally disturbed. The title of this blog, “Reborn Babies:Pandering to a Mental Disorder” is what got my attention and I felt, as a doll collector, I had to come in to defend the majority who are normal, well rounded adults who just happen to love dolls.
    It is a real hobby and one that we should not have to feel the need to cover up or hide. Since when do we need to censor what someone chooses to collect or love, most especially in the privacy of their own home? Are we qualified to determine who is mentally healthy and who is not? I daresay there are many more unhealthy behaviors in this world than the love of dolls. A “reborn” doll is something that evolved a few years back to enhance the beauty of an ordinary manufactured collectors doll. To make the doll look more realistic. Which contributes to the beauty. As this became popular, kits were produced to make it easier for the artists to create these. Thus the term, “reborn”. A manufactured doll that was taken apart, stripped, repainted, enhanced and reassembled. The difference was amazing. And it caught on with doll collectors.
    I do believe that the title of this blog and the original two paragraphs are what lead the doll collectors to get their dander up. We do not like to be referred to as mentally deficient, and as stated, “the people who buy them, although they would deny it, have emotional problems.” That is just not true and I feel every lady who has responded had a reason to. It’s called freedom of speech. Appreciate it done without name calling, though.
    I have many dolls in my home and always happy to show them to anyone who wishes to look. I have had many strangers who have happened to be at my home, (cable guy, appliance guy, etc.) who see them and admire them. I have yet to have one person tell me they did not like them.
    But sadly, sometimes you just cannot tell a person what they think they already know.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

      Mandy: You’ll notice I never said people don’t have a right to do whatever the heck they want as long as they aren’t hurting me? Did you read that? What I said it that it’s something I would not do. Also, you seem to be wanting to educate me on freedom of speech. Freedom of speech refers to speech which can potentially be accepted or censored by the government. That means political speech, and commentary. There is no freedom of speech here. If I don’t want to accept a comment I delete it — simple as that. So, no, that’s not what freedom of speech is. I have accepted many comments here in the last few days. There are about a dozen that I have NOT accepted though. I’ve deleted them and marked their senders as spam because of the hate filled rants some genuinely disturbed people can’t seem to help vomiting out of their mouths. You might not agree with what I said in my post, but the letters I’ve gotten in my e-mail from some doll collectors in the last 24 hours are just terrible. I don’t have to listen to it — so I delete. No freedom of speech.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

      Mandy: If I wanted to I could keep writing about reborn babies and smear the internet with all sorts of stuff you guys wouldn’t like. But, I don’t do that because I have no vendetta against any of you. I’m didn’t write this to piss of the doll community. Also, I don’t have to accept any comments at all. But, I do accept the ones that are either borderline polite or completely polite simply because discussion is good, even if you disagree. You want to educate me? Fine, I’ll listen. I don’t have a problem with that. This is an opinion based blog, so my opinion of a craft is just my opinion. It’s not an attack.

  42. Anne September 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm #

    If you look at the latter part of what I wrote you should be able to draw similarities. A collector, in general, collects what appeals and/or what they can afford, whether it be dolls, cars, stamps or trains (my former neighbor was a train spotter; now, those along with those who writes down car number plates are oddeties to me. But; to each their own).

    Any phyciatrist (sp?; English is not my first language…) will tell you that holding baby will, lower your pulse and is calming. A doll made in the image of a baby mimics those emotions. Call it instinct. It releases the same hormones. Care to try :D?

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 5:21 pm #

      Anne: You’re going to hack on my spelling? Okay, I fudged it because I was typing quickly. So what? Petting animals also lowers your blood pressure and pulse. So does meditation and regular exercise. I’ve held my babies since they were born (I’ve been a stay at home dad a long time) so I know all about it. But, I won’t replace them when they’re gone. Holding an inanimate object doesn’t do anything for me, sorry. Now, collecting? That’s a different story. If you want to collect for the sake of collecting, fine. But you JUST said you use these babies to mimic real babies for the purpose of helping you emotionally. That’s EXACTLY what this article is about.

  43. Anne September 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    I think most baby doll collectors do both. But what I am trying to point to is that you cannot lump us together as we are all very different as individuals. Some keep their collections in cabinets or room settings while others cuddle their dolls.

    BTW I did not notice anything wrong with your spelling; I was pointing to my own short comings, being Norwegian, with that as a first language.

    I do own a cat to cuddle and am fully able to find a man to cuddle should I need one who is “alive and kicking”:D:D:D. They do release different hormones than what cuddling a doll might do.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

      Anne: Okay, okay. You’re alright. Thanks for the polite response! :-)

  44. Mandy September 4, 2010 at 6:46 pm #

    Keith, I concur. This is your blog and yes, you may mediate as you see fit.
    I see no need of verbal attacks and I am sorry that some chose to represent us that way by coming off with hate filled rants. There just is no need and it solves nothing.
    We are all different people, we all have our own way of thinking and I appreciate that, I really do. The world would be very dull if everyone thought alike, wanted the same thing, etc.
    Anne, I also prefer cuddling a man or holding my little Yorkie when I feel the need for some calm.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 7:30 pm #

      Mandy: See? you’re alright too! I think we’re getting somewhere! :-) I know a guy who collects Schwinn bikes (the classic ones). Every chance he gets he buys a bike. In fact, it got so out of hand (because bikes are not easily stored) that it was taking over his house. He owned 400 bikes and he had them ALL in the basement, garage or scattered elsewhere around the house. To be honest, I had him in mind when I wrote this article. I was thinking, Jeez, he’s my friend and I love him, but he’s got a problem. I thought there must be a portion of doll people like that too. I just don’t really know what portion of your community is that way vs. how many just collect a dozen or two babies just because they like the history, or remember their youth or some such thing like that vs. How many collect to the point of hoarding or collect because the babies themselves make them feel like young mothers again and the pain of not being that young mother again is too hard for them to live with. Clearly though, I painted it in the light that was going to get people the talking the most. I guess I might have been slightly TOO effective in that way. Oops :-)

  45. Miss Picky September 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm #

    Your response: What sort of job would you suggest? Because your opinion matters so much. :-)

    OK, first you gotta pull your head out of your ass and educate yourself to the fact that just because you dont “get” it does not mean you are right and everyone else is wrong.
    I am a reborn artist. I have been creating art for many years in one medium or another.
    This is very satisifying work to create these dolls. Doll collecting is a multi million dollar industry. As a child I would have loved having a doll so realistic.
    Many of my customers have dozens of my dolls.

    If someone collects model planes does it make them want to be a pilot…what about trains? People like to collect things that they have an interest in.

    Fro you to claim that we are crazy to make the dolls or collect the dolls is insane.
    Maybe you are jealous because we sell them for decent money. Hey, with this crappy economy at least we are making money rather than sucking off the system!
    There are lost of resourses on the internet to educate yourself so you can make an intelligent accessment of others.
    Have a good day.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm #

      Miss Picky: Hey, I’m just asking. You’re the one who said I should get a job because I’m stupid (and now apparently also have my head up my ass). I figured you must have some insight into how I could be rich and smart like you. If you don’t, if you were just calling me names because it makes you feel better, well, that’s a little sad. See, I don’t tend to care what people say who don’t have anything to say that might be of some use to me. Obviously I don’t think I’m stupid or have my head up my ass. So, there you have it. The rest of whatever you say becomes instantly invalid. Your opinion doesn’t matter to me, simple as that, because you don’t know how to be nice.

  46. Miss Picky September 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm #

    Your response:
    ” Hey, I’m just asking. You’re the one who said I should get a job because I’m stupid (and now apparently also have my head up my ass). I figured you must have some insight into how I could be rich and smart like you. If you don’t, if you were just calling me names because it makes you feel better, well, that’s a little sad. See, I don’t tend to care what people say who don’t have anything to say that might be of some use to me. Obviously I don’t think I’m stupid or have my head up my ass. So, there you have it. The rest of whatever you say becomes instantly invalid. Your opinion doesn’t matter to me, simple as that, because you don’t know how to be nice.”

    Obviously you do care.
    You dont like me making this accessment about you but you make it about others…works both way I think.

    • Keith September 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm #

      Miss Picky: Calling people stupid (and other names) is not an assessment. That’s the expression of a feeling. Feelings are irrelevant to debate. Understand the difference between an opinion of an issue and the feeling you have towards a specific person. It’ll make your arguments make more sense.

  47. Miss Picky September 4, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

    This whole blog is stupid and a waste of time…I’m out of it…please dont respond.
    Your entitled to your opinion, no matter how ill-informed.

  48. karina September 5, 2010 at 5:01 am #

    Keith,
    I want to apologize for the incredibly rude things I said to you, and for being such an asshole. It span out of control for me, because you well and truly pissed me off, by calling people mentally ill, just because they cuddle their dolls and pretend they are their babies. Of course you’re not a terrorist – that was WAY out of line of me, to call you that, and I am sorry.

    You don’t grow old because you play with dolls – you grow old because you STOP playing with dolls.

    Some ladies take it further than just playing and having fun and just collect for the decorative purpose, yes, for some reason they pretend these dolls are their babies. but I bet you, they DO know that they ARE only dolls, and not real babies.

    Why didn’t you start out by asking around in the dollworld, to find out WHY they do it, instead of just starting to “spread the word” about these mentally ill people on your blog?
    This could have given you an insight to an article that would not have pissed so many ladies off.

    - Karina

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 7:42 am #

      Karina: Thanks :-) I agree, I pissed off a whole bunch of people, and I can completely see how it happened. Now, you’re also right that I intentionally picked up this one aspect of some people, I don’t know how many, in the doll community, and I ran with it. I found it absolutely fascinating that there would be people who treated their doll’s with enough reverence as to essentially make them parts of their families. What I thought was so interesting was that doll collecting is just like any other hobby. People get interested in some kind of art, they collect it because it’s just happens to be something they connect with for some reason, and they lead perfectly normal lives. My uncle collects police department patches (he has thousands of them from all over the world), but you’d never know it unless you asked to see his collection. Sometimes, like my friend who collects classic Schwinn bicycles, the obsession goes too far. His wife was on the verge of going crazy because he had 400 bikes littered around the house. Dolls are really no different except with the added twist that specifically the reborn baby dolls are so lifelike that there is a portion of people who use them as coping mechanisms for serious emotional issues. Now, like I said, I have no idea how many out of your community are like that. But, it was interesting enough for me to write about it (clearly). I didn’t know it was going to blow up like this. Some people write articles for the sole purpose of trolling people to comment so as to boost their page rankings. That was NOT my intention here. I had no idea the doll community is so huge. I would never have thought a little ol’ doll article would attract so much attention. Like I said, I just picked up on that one unhealthy corner of the whole thing and wrote about that because that’s what I thought was really weird and that’s what spurred my interest.

  49. Miss Picky September 5, 2010 at 5:29 am #

    You judging the entire reborn dol community by a few is what is stupid.
    Now we are not all judging all men by your stupid comments.
    You should get over yourself and do something in your life your family can be proud of.
    Good bye!

  50. MandyJ September 5, 2010 at 8:35 am #

    We, as doll collectors are so used to people slinging the dirt at us that yes we do tend to go off on one I admit.
    Obviously there will be a small minority who do go overboard with the baby dolls but most of us are just as we say, doll collectors.

    Some women like to spend money on their hair, cosmetics, fashion, shoes even simply socialising which can in itself be quite pricey … I prefer to spend any spare money I have on dolls and I make alot of the accessories myself and buy outfits from thrift shops which is something they never say on tv documentories.

    It is not such an expensive hobby if your careful.

    I have a spare room full of dolls, I don’t class it as a nursery but a dolly room.
    It’s just somewhere to display the dolls, nothing more and of course because it’s off limits to visitors, they don’t get dusty.

    The cribs and cots and prams we use are simply ‘frames’ for the ‘art’.
    Most of these ‘frames’ are quite often antique or vintage items that have been lovingly restored and show off the ‘art’ beautifully.

    The fake formula and juice bottles are simply props used for display and/or photographic purposes and diapers are used to ‘fill out’ the clothing to make the doll more ‘real’ looking and cuddly.

    To be fair to the ladies who ‘do’ take out their baby dolls in prams and strollers, at the end of the day, they aren’t hurting anyone.
    Some do it to advertise their work, some do it simply to show off their dolls …
    no one bats an eye when grown men take their model boats and planes to the park.

    The media makes such a big deal of our hobby it’s little wonder that we get so angry.
    If we can educate just a few people, it’s something …

  51. Miss Picky September 5, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Keith: I am so glad that you can finally see the other side of doll collecting. Now you can see how passionate we are about our art.
    I never meant that you were stupid, but the comments you made were stupid.
    One can not diagnose another of their mental issues when one is not informed or have never met us.
    Sure, there are some that take it to the extreme…but that is a very small percentage of the doll community, AND there are always people that go overboard in collecting anything…your examples of friends and family members.
    My dolls are not real babies to me nor do I treat them as such. I have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
    I just enjoy creating something so beautiful that brings happiness to others.

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 10:45 am #

      Miss Picky: I still have to disagree that my statements were stupid. I was describing a portion or the community that does exist, undeniably. I did focus only on that little segment of the population though so I can see how you’re upset that I excluded the regular and normal collectors. Like I told a previous commenter, I did it because I think the overall subject of obsession is really intriguing. It just so happened that I chose reborn dolls as the vehicle to talk about that. You’re right that I could have talked about the guys who festoon their houses with all sorts of train junk, wear the conductor outfits and say “toot toot” every time they go through a doorway. Those people exist too and they’re just as interesting as any other nutty person in the world. It was pure random dumb chance that I happened on the reborn baby issue when I did. I was hanging out in the bookstore and there was a craft book article there about reborn babies. Well, that got me going and I found a doll magazine that also talked about reborn babies. Then I came home and googled it and naturally found the BBC and 20/20 videos. My initial inclination was to draw the comparison between the unhealthy obsession, some deep emotional pain, and then the parallel that with marijuana. I intended to make a comparison that to me sounded initially absurd, but made sense when I thought about it more. I still believe the ladies who go that far can be compared to drug users. But, if I had it to do over again (which I do if I decide to) I would also include the other side of the story — the normal people who collect dolls in the same way the normal guys collect train bits, patches, beer bottles or bikes.

  52. Miss Picky September 5, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    Awwww, Keith..you were doing so well, and I was so proud, but now you lump us with “the parallel that with marijuana. I intended to make a comparison that to me sounded initially absurd, but made sense when I thought about it more. I still believe the ladies who go that far can be compared to drug users”

    The comments were stupid and that is my opinion…which if you have an opinion, I do also, as well as all the other reborn artist and doll collectors.

    I would suggest that you just let it go. Dr Phil did!

    Keith, Keith, Keith, did you have a mother that had dolls, how about sisters? Or did your parents stop with just you thinking they had the perfect child and no sense making more. Bless their hearts. They must have been angels!
    I hope that in your homeschooling that you teach your boys about differences and respect towards other peoples opinions.
    They deserve a chance to explore the real world.
    Have a nice day.

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

      Miss Picky: Apparently you didn’t listen. You even quoted what I said so I find that hard to believe, but…. I said the “ladies WHO GO THAT FAR can be compared to drug users.” Do you not understand that if you don’t think I’m talking about you that I’m not? I teach my kids that there are indeed crazies in the world — because there are. This is NOT a matter of opinion. Some people definitely do have mental problems. Again, you seem to not be able to reconcile the fact that some doll collectors go too far, and they damage both their own lives and those around them with an obsession. That’s a problem. I’ve also repeatedly said (read all these comments) this represents just a piece of the doll community, just like the crazies represent a piece of EVERY community. God dang, Miss Picky! I don’t know what else to say to you. Therefore, consider yourself banned from further comments. I no longer want to hear about how you think my family are angels for putting up with me or any other stupid assed, snarky comment you come up with. Toodles.

  53. wkdwtch September 5, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    Oh dear. What was it during your childhood that makes you feel the need to blog now? Were you not listened to as a child? Were your op0inions not respected? Your arguments could be used to “prove” anything.

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

      Wkdwtch: What was it during your childhood that causes you to READ something by someone you disrespect so much? :-) So what you’re saying is that it’s a problem that I have a voice that thousands of people agree and disagree with, and that I express those opinions? Would you prefer to silence me in some way? What would you do with the thousands of other opinion columnists you disagree with? Do they all have unresolved childhood issues? Or is it, and I think it’s more likely, that you just hate people you disagree with and feel a compulsion to get YOUR voice heard. Who’s voice is louder? What’s that make you, if I’m the pathetic one?

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 6:56 pm #

      Wkdwtch: You’ll also notice that a number of respondents here were polite in their disagreement. Some of them even educated me. I’m grateful for that discussion and I respect those who can engage me like that. We can all learn something new. Of course my arguments can be used to prove anything. Would you have preferred I pick on the train collectors? I bet you would. But, then this comment section would be full of train people and not doll people. The point is that I didn’t. I talked about doll collectors. So what? I spurred discussion and I learned something. Mission accomplished as far as I’m concerned. Actually, It’s discomfort like this that causes people to grow as people. But you have to bring something to the table to be respected, agree or not.

  54. Miss Picky September 5, 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    HAHAHA Bite me asshole

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 9:18 pm #

      Miss Picky: Well, I couldn’t resist picking this last one out of my spam box (I blocked your IP). This is your true nature when you think only I am reading it. It was just barely under the surface, wasn’t it?

  55. wkdwtch September 5, 2010 at 7:09 pm #

    Dear Keith, nowhere in my comments did I express an opinion one way or the other about agreeing or disagreeing with you. I was merely commenting that there must be something in your past that makes you feel the need to blog now. YOU are the one who brought up the theory that it is something in one’s past that makes one want to buy a lifelike baby doll. I just thought the logic followed that it is something in your past that makes you do what you do.
    How interesting that you felt I was disrespectful. Seems to me that it is you who are an angry person who feels the need to vent in public and be disrespectful of an innocent hobby. I was not being disrespectful at all. I was asking a question to further “educate” myself, like you do. So sorry if I got under your skin. I guess that is the chance you take when you write a blog. :-D

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 8:44 pm #

      Wkdwtch: Sorry, no dice. You were rude. You assumed it was something in my childhood that made me want to blog. Not only did you assume it was something in my childhood, but you postulated that I must have been ignored. So now I’m compensating for that by blogging. I suppose that’s why all bloggers blog? Do you think all bloggers blog because of childhood issues? Or, is it just me because I said something you don’t like? No, you asked me because you were trying to be smart. You got called on it. Now you come back with your hands up like you didn’t do it. So, like I said — no dice. And, my whole point is that you SHOULD agree or disagree. To come here just to try, albeit passively, to insult me? You can do that if you want; I’ll allow it. But, you should know it doesn’t add anything to the conversation.

  56. wkdwtch September 5, 2010 at 9:41 pm #

    You simply don’t get it. You postulated that women who collect reborn dolls do so because of a deficiency in their lives and that no more follows than your blogging stems from a deficiency in yours. THAT was the point. I think it is rude to assume that ALL women who collect reborn dolls do so because they lack something in their lives.
    How in the world did you happen upon reborn dolls in the first place? There is an interesting question!

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 9:57 pm #

      Wkdwtch: Well, you’re right. THAT is an interesting question. It was purely by chance. I’m not much of a hobby person, but for some reason I found myself flipping through a hobby book at the book store. That’s when I learned about reborn baby dolls. It just so happened, by some weird twist of doll fate, I also found an article is a doll magazine (I looked and was surprised that there are doll magazines). It’s not a hobby I’d ever really be interested in, but I couldn’t figure out why all of a sudden there seemed to be this interest in babies that look real (some of them are really hard to tell the difference from just a picture). I came home and looked it up. I typed in “reborn baby dolls” into google and there was the BBC video. Naturally I watched it and thought it was completely bizarre there there are people who treat dolls as if they were real babies. Well, so I wrote the article. Then, suddenly I started getting all these responses from doll collectors telling me what a nincompoop I am for writing about it. I maintain that the women depicted in the video (if portrayed accurately) have a pretty weird mental issue. However, I’ve stated repeatedly here that I don’t know what percentage of the doll collecting population actually has these strange attachments to their dolls. I postulated that because from all appearances there are women who collect because of some compensation issue. But, obviously, not all doll collectors are that way. Probably a very small percentage are that way. Yeah, I know that.

  57. wkdwtch September 5, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    Definitely there are some women who are compensating for something. Most, however, as you have found out, are not. We are just a bunch of women who collect realistic looking baby and toddler and even child-sized dolls. (Gotta have a BIG house if you collect those bigger dolls! LOL)
    I’ve always had dolls. In every picture of me, from the time I was tiny until I was around 10 or 11 years old there was my dolly too. All of mine were babies. Who knows what makes a girl child under the age of one want to hold and play with a doll? Certainly I do not know.
    After leaving my dolls for a long time, putting them away to play with boys (!) and get married and have 3 charming children of my own, I rediscovered dolls a few years ago. I love to collect baby clothes and now I had something to put those baby clothes on. What fun!
    Surprising others with a realistic looking doll is fun too as is being on a forum that is comprised of doll enthusiasts like me. My most favorite thing to do with my dolls is photo stories for my friends on the forum. That does sometimes involve carrying a doll out in public. LOL Today for instance I took a doll to the beach for a photo session. It was really fun to see how realistically I could pose him with the sand toys.
    So I guess, I will accept your apology. Thank you, and I hope you’ve had as much fun chatting with me as I have had chatting with you.

  58. Kissimeass September 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm #

    Dude I think you smoked some maryjane before you wrote this blog. I am not sure what you discuss more, reborn baby dolls or your fascination with dope, or being a dope. Dork!

    • Keith September 5, 2010 at 11:35 pm #

      Ding dong who doesn’t leave a name: That’s clever. Really — very clever. Count all the words I’ve written on this blog (Over 500,000 just this year). Figure out how many times I’ve talked about drugs. Go ahead to the homepage and do a little search. What fascination to I have with dope? You just can’t handle a few little words on my blog so you lash out with this nonsense. That’s super mature.

  59. Melissa September 6, 2010 at 12:17 am #

    This is the only problem I have about what you wrote: “But, however great their skill is, I have to disagree with their decision to misappropriate a skill that could have otherwise been put to better use. ”

    It makes it seem like us artists are laughing manically while weilding our painbrushes thinking about all the money we are making off of the mentally insane. Yes, there is a very, VERY small percentage of women who might use these dolls in an unhealthy way, but should I not practice my craft because of the few crazies out there? What about the 99% of normal women who collect these dolls? Should they not get to purchase a reborn because of the 1% of crazies that forces all the reborn artists to stop their craft?

    There is also a small percentage of people who abuse food. Lets say ice cream. They become morbidly obese and then develop a host of health issues down the road. Saying a reborn artist should put their skills “to better use” because of some who misuse our dolls is like saying all ice cream companies should stop selling their product due to a select few who abuse it and hurt their health with it.

    As a reborn artist, I really do not have a problem with anything else you wrote. However I do wish you would retract the above statement about the artists being like drug dealers. Thanks! :)

  60. Miss Picky September 6, 2010 at 2:17 am #

    You are so full of yourself. I am just appalled that you banned me from commenting. Obviously you don’t like it for people to express their opinion if they differ from yours. I am trying to enlighten you and you take it out of context. As most men tend to do because they don’t listen.
    As for banning me. What will I do now. You were a “cat & mouse” game. Like a cat pawing at a mouse. Now I guess I just have the doll forums that are amusing ripping you a new asshole. Have to say, it is much more interesting to read their assessment of you than you stupid comments. You go way beyond reasoning.
    As for blogs, why do people do them? Do you think people “live” to read that nonsense?
    I particularly liked the video where you spent all that time explaining the size of the new box compared to the old one. I thought…shall I keep laughing or strangle myself with the power cable!
    As for the other videos, which were hard to watch, never could stand more than a minute of each one…The children looked rather frightened. Like if they didn’t respond correctly they were in hot water.
    Reading “about you” and being in Colorado it all reminded me of the Balloon Boy. He is in Colorado, boys home schooled, father a whack job, will we be haring about you on TV too?
    Yea, block me. I blocked you, I’m through messing with you. you, your site and your opinions are B-O-R-I-N-G-!!!
    I suggest you get some meds, counseling or a job like a man!

    Either way, educate yourself if you are going to write about it…that will get you some insight and a little respect…maybe…………NOT!
    PS: Dont worry, I wont be back…your not worth it.

    • Keith September 6, 2010 at 8:36 am #

      Miss Picky: You’re too much fun — I can’t help myself. How exactly did you “Block” me? And why would you think I’m not a real man because I stay home with my kids? And how is that relevant to the discussion? This latest tirade of yours is sad, Picky. It’s just sad that you’re so full of hate for me that I know you’re sitting there foaming at the mouth and getting yourself all worked up about what a jerk I am and how you’d probably shoot me if you had the chance. Don’t call me crazy or unbalanced or anything like that unless you’re willing to look at yourself and re-read all of this to yourself. You are about the poorest representative of the doll community there is. Do you really think the rest of these nice ladies want you ranting around like this? Do you really think they believe you’re helping your cause by behaving so irrationally? The fact that people are calling me names in their own private forum doesn’t bother me at all. It’s a private forum, after all — that’s their business. But, you’re doing it here, on a blog that lots of non-doll people read. What are they going to think when they read this from you? Are they going to understand doll collectors? What if all they do is read what you’ve written and happen to skip what these other ladies have said? Will they think you’re nuts? You bet they will! You aren’t helping yourself. And why do you make this into a man vs woman thing? I’m not angry at women. Your repeated hang up on that makes you look a little crazy and paranoid.

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