The In-laws
By: Keith
What’s the matter with in-laws? Mine like me, and my mom, mom, and dad really like Mely, too (mom, mom isn’t a typo. Read about that here). The only whiff of a problem I ever had with an in-law was 6 years ago when my father in-law called me a girl. He’s a great guy, and things have since been smoothed over, but he suffers from the typical Mexican affliction of machismo and couldn’t come to terms with the fact that Mely was out working and I took care of the house. Anyway, my relations with the in-laws have been good, and so have Mely’s relations with my parents. But, it’s clear to me why some people do have problems. I’m qualified to talk about this because I once saw a Dr. Phil show where they talked about, ummm, something about people – there was shouting, and Dr. Phil made a few witty remarks. Anyway, I’m qualified!
Distance
My in-laws are in Mexico. We see them very infrequently. We see them so little in fact, that I wish we could visit more often. I know, it’s a shock, I actually want to go see the in-laws. But, since we don’t visit but once every few years, there are few chances for anybody to really start hating me. Let it be known though, because everyone in my family loves Mely so much, that my own parents could live right next door and the only one who would get shunned or go insane would be me. Mely and my California mom have a fantastic relationship and talk at length whenever they get the chance. She’s a saint in everybody’s eyes (she puts on a good show – wink, wink).
Communication
We took pre marriage counseling classes from Mely’s pastor in Mexico before we got married 13 years ago. I daydreamed through most of it, but there was one part I took to heart and really listened to — the gossip warnings. The pastor said, no matter what happens, never air your marital grievances to your parents because they’ll never forget it and they’ll always hold it against your spouse. Mely must have been listening, too, because neither of us has ever gone running to a parent after a fight. This is a case where less communication is better communication. We say things when we’re mad we wish we could take back. Once you say it to a parent, you can’t take it back. Don’t say it at all.
Access to Grandkids
Don’t use the kids as weapons against your parents. No matter how messed up your own relationship is with your parents, they’ll be completely different people around the grandkids. Don’t say things like “Johnny doesn’t want to see you.” or “I can’t have you around my kids.” If they sense an attempt to keep them from the grand-kids, they’ll interpret that as a coordinated effort by the two of you, and they could easily blame your spouse for “putting malicious ideas into your head.” The other alternative is that they’ll make an end-around to bypass you and start quizzing your wife or husband about not being able to see the kids. Not wanting to be the bad guy, your spouse will be put in an impossible spot. The point is that most grandparents will stop at nothing to see the grandkids, and if you put up a barrier, someone is going to get steamrolled, and it might be your spouse who takes it on the chin.
Mama’s Boy
Don’t, for the love of God, be a mama’s boy! If your wife cooks you something, do NOT complain that your mom did it differently (thereby insinuating it was better with your mom). Besides ruining your relationship with your wife, you’ll turn your wife against your mom. Keep your dang mouth shut about how your mom used to cut your PB&J into triangles and remove the crusts for you. It can do no good. Your wife and your mom are already probably on suspicious terms with each other concerning ownership of said – you.
Keep them In Line
I don’t know what it is about women, but they sure can be mean to each other. If your mom is the sort who comes to visit and can’t help criticizing the house, the food, your kids’ cleanliness, etc… , your wife will not appreciate it. Where we men can ignore small slights, women don’t. They remember everything. It would be the better part of valor to keep those situations from happening by stepping in to defend your wife without casting off your mother. All your mom really wants anyway is to know you still listen to her. Your wife will feel good that you’re on her side and your mom will feel good that you communicated your love for her. The overbearing mother is a bit of a stereotype that I’ve never actually seen firsthand. Nevertheless, I have it on good authority that it exists.
I’ve met people who can’t stand their in-laws. I can’t be sure what their individual reasons are for the hatred, but I suspect it probably falls under one of the above categories. It’s a case of too much proximity, unfavorable comparisons (one way or the other) between a wife and mother in-law, something to do with the grand kids or just general bitching about who knows what. The point here is this: if you want to have good relations with your in-laws, keep a low profile, don’t restrict access to the grand kids, and keep your personal business between you and your wife.
Did I forget something? Have your experiences with the in-laws been good ones? I’m not an expert on any of this stuff obviously so if there are any actual experts in the house, feel free to tell me what bits I left out.
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I totally agree with most of this.
The only thing I have a slight disagreement with you on, is the grandkids.
While we will not use our children against any of our parents, we will not tolerate the grandparent disrespecting the either one of us in front of our children (whether we are both there or not). In our house, we teach respect for all people and not just “our elders” – and unfortunately we have parents that seem to think they can disrespect us just because they are the “elders”
Jackie: Well, that doesn’t sound good at all. I’m sorry your parents are like that. You know, I heard some talk radio psychologist one time who talked about parents who can’t stop treating their grown up kids like little children. He suggested one way to break that is to start calling your parents by their first names instead of Mom or Dad. He said it will force them each time to come to grips with the fact that you are on equal terms. I personally thought that was funny as hell. The psychologist chuckled about it himself and even admitted that it would cause initial arguments, but that in the long run his clients always seem to prevail because the parents eventually figure out there isn’t really anything they can bitch about! They either believe their grown up child is still a little kid or they don’t. If they don’t then they can’t complain about being called by a first name!
Well, that’s probably not completely relevant to what you said, but I thought I say it anyway if it might be helpful.
My family loves my wife so much that if we ever got divorced, they’d keep her and get rid of me.
My inlaws, on the other hand, loathe me. I’m not what they wanted in a son-in-law, and they blame me for my wife suddenly growing a backbone and no longer letting them run her life (which, to be fair, I did encourage, but never forced). it’s tense because we’re such different people (see above, re: not what they wanted) and so I usually stay clear of extended visits with them because of it.
My father-in-law never called me a girl because I stay home with the kids. No, he called me a bum instead. I never forgave him for it. Luckily, they don’t visit very often, so the issue doesn’t come up much.
As for my mom and stepdad, they’re always happy to see my wife. They usually spend most of their visits talking with her.
The ex mom-ln-law should have been an indication as to the way things in the marraige would be. I can honestly say that my xmil is one of the three people who will not have me even attending their funerals. But I will be happy to send a kind letter expressing my satisfaction with the event.
And I don’t know about the being called a woman thing. I had an uncle in law tell me I’d make someone a good wife once, when he saw me taking charge of getting the Thanksgiving meal prepared. I’d say I handled it correctly but I don’t think you could handle it the same way with a Father in Law.
But then, maybe all of my relationship issues have happened because I never have watched Dr. Phil. I have stayed at a LOT of Holiday Inn Express hotels, though!
I really liked this post. Do you mind if I re-post it on my site?
Fortunately, I have a great relationship with my in-laws and look forward to them visiting and even wish that they lived closer so they could be more involved in our children’s lives. I’m also very fortunate that my wife and mother have a very close relationship. It makes life a LOT easier. The part you wrote about sharing squabbles with your parents is immensely important. I’ve never once said anything bad about my wife to anyone. Mostly because I have nothing bad to say about her. Any issues we may have stay between us (and usually are worked out before we even call it a day on the rare occasion something does pop up).
If you ever saw My Big Fat Greek Wedding, that was my story pretty much. Except I’m the one that’s not Greek, and it was my MIL who hated me. “You’re not Greek!” Argh. But she grew to love me, especially since having 4 grandkids for them.
But I really agree with not talking to your parents about probs in the relationship, I made the mistake of crying to my mom a few times, and now she hates my spouse. It’s not good. My spouse loves my dad, but dislikes my mom anyhow. So I guess it’s mutual. Luckily they live in AZ, so we hardly see each other.
Great article Keith. Wish I read it years ago!
This year I had a disagreement with my mil. I was concerned with her dog getting excited around my child while she and he were playing. Her dog has a history of growling and snapping at my child. (obviously it wasn’t an issue when we lived in another state) Now that we’re in the same state again, the dog is older and grumpier than before. My son knows to stay away from the dog. But in this incident I was watching grandmother and my son play and kept an eye on the dog. She got mad at me for not trusting her dog and tried to start an altercation. I refused to be sucked into the argument and we (my family) left her house. She hasn’t spoken to me since. She didn’t show up to my son’s birthday party either. She has shown by her actions that she chooses her dog over her only grandchild. Lucky for my son, he has lots of adopted grandparents on our street. Not the same thing, but a lot safer.
Evo: I’d have to completely agree with you on that one! Crazy to not respect you like that. It’s amazing that some people pick their pets over their own grandkids.
Oh can you believe this?! I heard from the proverbial devil today. Well, technically she sent my son a card. Dearest (name) we had to get glasses for yoqui (the dog) because he has been looking for you but could not find you anywhere. We hope you are enjoying your new home and swimming pool in (city). You must be a good swimmer by now. Soon we will drop off your aircraft carrier to your dad’s office so he can bring it home for you to play with in the pool. We love you very much and enclose a bit of money for some gummy bears if mom will let you have them. (she knows I don’t let him eat foods with HFCS) hugs, gran granpa (last name)
Okay, any feed back on what I should do?
Thanks.
EVO: oh, man, I had no idea in-laws could be so dang subversive!
That’s crazy. Okay, okay, I clearly underestimated the will of some people to totally try to mess up their kids’ lives. I’ve got nothing! I guess I’d just ignore it altogether. Sounds to me like she caving in and “trying” to communicate, but doing a really poor job of it.
LOL! Thank you for responding. I was considering ignoring it as well. Or sending the money back. I don’t know. But why is she communicating with a 7 year old? Shouldn’t she be making amends with the parents? Yes, my mil is a piece of work and has many issues and I like our lives without her drama.
Thanks again.
I’m lucky in that I have a good relationship with my father-in-law. Mother-in-law, not so much. She hasn’t like me for a while now, and my wife and I are not really sure why. They live about 100 miles away and we think that she thinks I took her daughter and grandkids from her. But, they can drive right through our town to a football game another 150 miles away without stopping. So, I guess my point is, well, I don’t really know, but I hate not being like by my mother-in-law.
I did write a blog about something very similar to this. Its at http://sydanddensdad.blogspot.com/2010/09/kids-and-their-grandparents.html
Dennis
how do you send money back to ex inlaws…without offending them..they are nice ppl and have never really had any problems with them but I have moved on and am engaged…